NCYSA CHALLENGE COUNCIL
Saturday, August 12, 2006-10:00 a.m.
Meeting called to order: by Keith Price (VP-Challenge)
Members in attendance: Bill Barnett (CASL), Bryan Mogford (CUFC), James Voudouris (CVYSA), Karin Sedivy (FVAA), Shelly Acuff (GRYSA), James Zeitler (GUS), James Bronico (JYL), Gary Olive (KSA), Edward Harris (MYSA), Jim Hoffer (NBASA), Thomas Osiecki (NBASA), Doug Rogers (PSA), Diane Shearin (RVYSA), Hayes Smith (TASC), Paul Murawski (TCYSA), John Babcock (TCYSA), Jerry Tew (TUSA), Wally McCaffety (USA), Allen Valentine (USA), Lindsey Carter (YCSBC), Cliff Mayer (YCVSC)
Associations represented by proxy: Bob Somerville (ABYSA, HSA, MDYSA), Gary Olive (BAYSA,WOW),
Jeff Thomas (CSC), Chris Brewer (GYSA), George Kennedy (JYL), Bryan Thorp (NMYSA), Garry Norman (NTSC),
Doug Rogers (PTFC), Clifford Mayer (SMSC)
Others in attendance: Tony Dean (CRSC), Keith Warren (DESC), Manny Comas (GUS), Nick Dewitt (NMYSA),
Doug Atkinson (MSSL), Bob Somerville (WNCCL), Garry Norman (TCL), Debbie Morton (Asst. Dir. Classic/NCYSA),
Darae Hamilton (Asst. Dir. Challenge/NCYSA)
A quorum was established
Motion: Wally McCaffety (
Seconded: Paul Murawski (TCYSA)
next Challenge Council Meeting is scheduled for December 2, 2006 at the NCYSA
The challenge liaison directory is now posted on the challenge page of the NCYSA website @ www.ncsoccer.org.
Any liaisons that do not want their name and e-mail posted, please contact Darae Hamilton firstname.lastname@example.org for removal.
Bids to host the challenge state cup will be for a three year period. This was approved by the NCYSA state cup committee.
Keith Price (VP-Challenge) made an announcement regarding the upcoming fall challenge state cup that at the present time no bids have been submitted to host the prelims on November 4th and 5th . Any associations wishing to bid should have six full-size fields for the U-15 to U-18 girls and will need to contact Tim Nash.
What to do about uneven number of teams entered for challenge state cup? (recurring debate)
Currently the procedure is by postmarked date and teams having to be drawn out to even the brackets.
Options suggested to improve this would be play in matches on neutral sites during the week and for the challenge
scheduling leagues to end their games at the same time. Any challenge council member wishing to make a proposal for changes in this procedure can do so at the December meeting but will need to get the proposal into NCYSA
thirty days prior to the meeting. If no proposals are sent in, then these procedures for challenge state cup will remain as is.
Proposal regarding U-19 challenge players enrolled in high school of the current year playing on a U-18 challenge
team was submitted by Karin Sedivy (FVAA).
Gary Olive (KSA) was asked to speak to the challenge council members regarding the document that was prepared for classic U-19 players by Judy Ennis (Asst. Dir.-Registration/NCYSA), Kathy Robinson (Executive Director-NCYSA), Gary Olive (KSA), Andre Burger (VP-Tournaments and State Cups/NCYSA) and Debbie Morton (Asst. Director of Classic-NCYSA).
Motion: Karin Sedivy (FVAA)
Seconded: George Kennedy (JYL)
Proposal: To allow U19 men and women who are enrolled in high school to play on U18 rosters during the NCYSA league play. These players must be dropped from the roster if the team elects to play in Challenge Cup as a U18 team. If these players remain on a roster then the team must compete as a U19 team for Challenge Cup. This proposal would be presented to the NCYSA registration staff to provide the mechanics of the registration process. This proposal would be effective for the 2006-2007 seasonal year.
Vote: Passed (unanimously)
For the fall of (2006) play, registration needs to be submitted as soon as possible.
U-18 Challenge Play Procedures
(Proposal adopted on 8/12/06 at the Challenge Council Meeting)
U-18 Challenge Division Team makeup:
A Team: U-18 teams - all players are U-18 only age appropriate and are eligible to play U-18 Challenge League Play and State Cup series.
B Team: U-18 with U-19 supplemental roster Are registered U-18 challenge teams with players who are either U-18 age appropriate OR are U-19s who are enrolled in High School of the current school year and are eligible to play in U-18 Challenge League play only.
Eligibility for State Cup:
A Team Current U-18 roster is valid for
B Team Use of the U-18 Roster and the U-19 Supplemental Roster will be ineligible for play in the U-18 age bracket of Challenge State Cup unless the supplemental roster is not used. The U-18 teams using the U-19 supplemental roster can register for state cup in the U-19 division if that division is available. The intention of the Challenge Council was to follow the Classic Council in allowing U-19 players still enrolled in High School of the current school year to play within the NCYSA Challenge Scheduling Leagues.
In order to accomplish this, NCYSA has developed a list of procedures and explanations to address to the U-18 challenge teams.
10. Players who are registered and play but are not eligible, per the previous point, will be treated as any other illegal player and violations will be referred to the D&A committee.
Proposed motion sent in from Cliff Mayer (YCVSC) was submitted as:
Move the boundary line between WNCCL and TCL
Cliff Mayer (YCVSC) asked to amend the proposal.
Motion to amend: Cliff Mayer (YCVSC)
Seconded: John Babcock (TCYSA)
Vote: passed to amend proposed motion
Amendment of proposal from Cliff Mayer (YCVSC) to allow the (YCVSC) association to play matches on their home fields for older teams playing in the TCL scheduling league rather than playing on the fields of the host association (ICRD) .
Mayer (YCVSC) spoke to the challenge council of his concerns for wanting to
play their home games in
Garry Norman (TCL) and Bob Somerville (WNCCL) the two scheduling league presidents involved, spoke to the council members of their thoughts and concerns in this matter and felt the policy for challenge scheduling leagues that was adopted and made effective on March 28, 2004 should not be changed.
Several council members suggested this should be handled between the three parties involved (YCVSC), (ICRD-host) and (TCL) scheduling league.
Vote taken by vote count cards
Yes: 12 No: 33
Vote: Did not pass
Open Floor Discussion:
John Cirillo (TUSA) requested the help from NCYSA with games for older teams playing in (MSSL). If (MSSL) cannot fill games for older teams then teams can play under the (CASL) scheduling league. The concern from (TUSA) is that (MSSL) are not getting in their intent to plays on time and that (CASL) has already set their schedules by the time the (MSSL) teams find out there are not enough teams to schedule for play. Keith Price (VP-Challenge) stated that scheduling leagues set their own guidelines but a proposal can be made for the December challenge council meeting to get all the scheduling leagues to follow the same policies.
An email from Paul James (State Youth Referee Administrator) was read to the council members in regards to a rule that coaches need to stay in the technical area during games. Keith Price (VP-Challenge) recommended to all scheduling leagues and council members to speak with their coaches of staying within the technical area while coaching a game, but at the present time there is no rule in challenge regarding this.
Meeting adjourned at 11:45 a.m.
Minutes were respectfully taken by Debbie Morton (Asst. Director of Classic-NCYSA) and submitted by
Darae Hamilton (Asst. Director of Challenge-NCYSA).